"What McCain's grades indicate to me is that he probably wasn't "Academy material" to begin with but go in because of family ties... Then he wrecked a couple expensive airplanes... Yeah, okay, he did get shot down... Who is to say that there wasn't some pilot error in that little situation??? Only he knows and if he screwed up he ain't gonna tell no one..." – Bobert

By Christ I'd like to find out exactly what experience of anything nearly remotely like the subject material Bobert has to make any of those statements. They no doubt will however enter the lists as BOBERT FACTS and as such become irrefutable in the eyes of the chattering left.

Previous examples:
•        30,000 Patriot missiles raining down on Baghdad;

•        Heads displayed on sticks on the lawn of the White House (Re Saddam's sons);

•        In excess of 1,000,000 Iraqi's killed because of US actions in Iraq;

•        1% of the population of Haiti possessing all the wealth of said country.

John McCain was a combat qualified Naval Aviator wasn't he Bobert? Here's a little story for you Bobert about naval aviation and flying fixed-wing from aircraft carriers. Airframes and engines do not like salt water, take-offs and landings are extremely hard on every bit of equipment involved, for the RN over a standard commission for a carrier (30 – 36 months) fixed-wing squadrons attached to an aircraft carrier's air group will lose something between 15-20% of their aircraft just because of the environment they are committed to fly in. In the RN as aircrew you were allowed three ejections from aircraft, then you were taken off flying duties because your spine was so compressed that a fourth ejection would in all probability break your back.

But let's get back to your outpourings on John McCain:

•        "grades indicate to me is that he probably wasn't "Academy material" to begin with" Bobert you wouldn't know what "Academy material" was even if it jumped up and bit you in the arse.

•        "but go in because of family ties" – I take it that should actually read – "but got in because of family ties" – Whoops Bobert that chip on your shoulder is showing – substantiate that or refrain from bringing it up again, by the bye what his grades were at the Naval Academy, in no way reflect the grades he produced to win his place there. I know that that sort of logic completely leaves you out in the cold Bobert, but you do it time and time again.

•        "Then he wrecked a couple expensive airplanes... Yeah, okay, he did get shot down" – Got shot down doing what Bobert?? Serving his country?? Something that you yourself have never done – "Ask not what my country can do for me….." and all that Bobert. Your credo is exactly the opposite.

•        "Who is to say that there wasn't some pilot error in that little situation???" – Your basis for suggesting that Bobert is what exactly?? Or are we going to get another fable about your extensive hours huddled behind the controls of your brothers Cessna??

•         "Only he knows and if he screwed up he ain't gonna tell no one..." Really Bobert?? Again what is the basis for that remark?? Considering that after having been taken as a POW, badly injured, grossly mistreated, beaten and tortured, when offered an easy way out he refused – In the impossibly unlikely set of circumstances that could have been propelled you into his shoes when that offer of release was made Bobert, what would you have chosen?? Would you have done the same as John McCain, or would you have gone with the standard Bobert line, "Get me the hell outa here"??

As for those who qualified well down the list in military training establishments and then went on to great things, from the Second World War we have Winston Churchill and Bernard Law Montgomery.