Shouldn't naff stuff about saints, popes and Roman emperors be in aforementioned, musically irrelevant small talk thread (which should be down here, if anywhere), while vitally important issues such as the future direction of the tradarts and their salvation from also aforementioned evil threats be reinstated the main forum where they belong? It isn't just the hapless WAV who spouts these appallingly inhumanitarian, illiberal views and try to hijack trad music to reinforce their vile, pseudo-nationalistic arguments. There are others who do it far more convincingly (to some) and they need countering. Constantly.