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Thread #114665 Message #2448797
Posted By: Big Al Whittle
24-Sep-08 - 06:15 AM
Thread Name: BS: Very Important Talk by Daniel Ellsberg
Subject: RE: BS: Very Important Talk by Daniel Ellsburg
Better than your country getting gutted by Hitler or Stalin.
It seems to me you could learn a lot from Shakespeare's Wars of the Roses plays - Richard 2 through to Richard 3.
The first imperative of any head of state is to survive - for many other people want that job, and they will all have terrific reasons for you giving it up.
My own position in the 1960's and 1970's was that I thought Ellsberg was a great patriot at the time, I thought that the watergate hearing - a source of shame to many Americans was an endorsement of the great Bob Dylan line - even the president of the united states sometimes must have to stand naked - a great exercise in democracy.
on reflection I'm not so sure. the Vietnamese were shafted with a stalinist administration for the next god knows how many years. all the suffering in those wars went for nothing - except perhaps to show that democracy wasn't going to go down without a fight.
I hope I don't sound like right wing 'hawk'. I felt betrayed and lied to, when no WMD's turned up in Iraq. who the hell knows how history is going to turn out?