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Thread #101088   Message #2459367
Posted By: Little Hawk
07-Oct-08 - 12:38 PM
Thread Name: BS: Popular Views on Obama
Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
Sawzaw, what is America?

And what is it in a person's mind when he says "I hate America"?

Is it the government? Probably. Is it something about the social order? Quite possibly. Is it the area of land and the actual people who live on it? Almost certainly not.

You lift a fragment out of a sentence that Reverend Wright once spoke when he was raving away in a moment of passion and you interpret it according to your own political desires to mean, I think, that he hates the land and the people.

I very much doubt that the land and the people were what he had in his mind when he made the statement.

I very much doubt that the land and the people were what Sarah Palin's husband had in his mind when he made a similar statement.

No, I think they were probably upset about many of the same governmental and social forces and powers that upset you and me.

Therefore you are misinterpreting the statement to suit your own desired agenda which is to take that statement and attack it in some way to Barack Obama...and that's just silly, because it wasn't his statement.

If I go to a church, sawzaw, I do not bear personal responsibility for every single word my pastor said when he got carried away in some sermon that he made. Good lord! If that sort of guilt by association had any merit, then we could all be condemned on the basis of something somebody else said.

Again, I ask you, what is America? America is many, many things. It's a government, an economy, a military, 2 huge political parties, a bunch of social customs and traditions, many cultural and racial groups, many geographical regions, a historical record, many religions, mass media, etc......... There is no way of knowing for sure exactly what was in Wright's mind when he made the statement, no way of knowing what aspect of America upsets him so, but it's most probable that he was complaining about something quite different in America from what you leap to imagine when you consider that statement he made.

You consider it an attack upon the nation itself. Wright probably considered it an impassioned defence of the nation he loves.

He wants to see a different America. You probably do too. He wants justice. So do you. He wants equality. So do you. He wants an end to poverty and discrimination. So do you.

So do all of us.

Your interpretation of Wright's statement is entirely to your own political convenience, and it misses the point.

Likewise, a liberal's interpretation of Sarah Palin's husband's statement is entirely to their political convenience too.

See how it works? Nothing but opportunistic mudslinging in either case, in an attempt to establish guilt by association.