The problem with irony and humour is that some people can hide behind it and use it as a way of shielding their more direct bigotry. That makes it hard for the ones who are being genuine and trying to make things lighter while getting a point across.

Very perceptive, mp, and not a view I had considered before. The original question releated to an Irish lady telling and English man that he was 'Not a bad singer for an Englishman.' The issue has been clouded by all sorts but basicaly the question is - Was it OK for her to say that?

Most paople say yes - Just treat it as a back-handed compliment. A bit of fun. My point was that if it is OK to imply that the English cannot sing, even as a 'bit of fun', then it is equaly correct to imply that the Irish are thick; that Jews are mean with money; and that Immigrants are criminals. If you had not gathered I don't believe it is OK to say any of the former, as stereotyping is a very dangerous thing to do. Even in fun.

Hope that helps.

DeG