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Thread #110424   Message #2464503
Posted By: Jack Blandiver
13-Oct-08 - 12:35 PM
Thread Name: England's National Musical-Instrument?
Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument?
one problem is that so many English folkies now prefer to perform other nations songs and tunes, at such events.

If it is the preference of English folkies to do so, then just how exactly is it a problem?

but to be precise, I think I now have the mixed accent of an English repat

You can think it all you like but you sound as Australian as your speech idioms. And the corks dangling around your hat are a bit of a giveaway too...

ever been to the Peoples' Theatre in Newcastle?

Let me see - a concert of Indian Classical Music in 1979, also saw Schoenberg's Pierriot Lunaire round about the same time, which was amazing - Gemini was the ensemble though I forget the name of the soprano. Saw Anthony Braxton there once, and best of all - Don Cherry's Nu around 1988.

The rest of what you said is false and defamatory, again

Answer me this - in what way is saying England was a more English place 50 years ago coupled with such choice phrases as English culture is taking a hammering and I love the WORLD being multicultural not racist?

you are confusing the questioning of immigration with racism

Not at all. You are questioning immigration because you are a racist. If you weren't a racist, you'd be happily getting on with your life and enjoying culture as and where and in whatever form you found it instead of perpetuating your absurdly idiosyncratic and extremely xenophobic myths about Our Own Good Culture.

and I must therefore repeat that I do love the world being multicultural

You usually capitalise WORLD, WAV, to emphasise the implication that you hate other cultures and ethnicities living in England. Why? Because English culture is taking a hammering and when people lose their culture, society suffers. As many times as I ask you account for this, but you never have. Examples!!! Facts!!! Figures!!! How is it taking a hammering? How is society suffering?

Further, your constant insistence that I am Australian rather than English borders on the very thing you accuse me of...

Bollocks, WAV - you were raised in Australia from the age of three for fuck's sake. You grew up in Australia - a land of colonial culture and immigration; there you were naturalised, there you were educated, and there you became a man. That's where you became what you are - you can't undo that, much less be in any way convincing by pretending to be English.

as well as being born here, I have lived here a total of 15 years now.

So by that logic you believe you are as English as an average 18-year-old I suppose? 15 adult years doesn't mean too much in terms of personal growth and development, especially to someone so resolutely stuck in the past as you are - no longer writing, no longer learning new songs, still pushing the same old shit your wrote years ago. You're hardly Mr Growth and Flexibility are you, WAV?

as a repatriate rather than a visitor, I've made an effort.

Sometimes people lose their natural accents as a matter of course; other times they might become stronger when they move away. I knew a Geordie who lived 20 years in the Philippines and came back sounding stronger than ever he did, despite being fluent in Tagalog for the sake of his kids.

Also, it's a fact that I started life with a northern English accent, having learnt to walk and talk in Manchester

What is this Northern English Accent you speak of? You think they talk the same in Manchester as they do in Newcastle? What about Preston and Liverpool? Or Sunderland and Hartlepool? Or Chorley and Burnley? Seghill and Delaval? Blyth and Bebside? Shiremoor and Backworth? I think they walk different in Manchester too, but that's another issue, perhaps...

Why try to be what you're so obviously not? Why can't you embrace the idea that being English does not preclude you having an Australian accent or yet being a naturalised Australian? At times it seems you're so xenophobic you even hate yourself, which really isn't a good thing.