mg, my dad was a welder, after growing up as a cattle rancher. He had to go to school and get licensed before he could sell his skills as a welder. My son is a HVAC specialist who had to take tests and get all kinds of licensing, etc. before he could get his job. My new son-in-law, the same thing as a concrete finisher aka artist. They were all three willing and able to take the time to learn, follow the guidelines, and guarantee their work as good and dependable. My dad had an eighth grade school education, but through reading all of his life and his very well-read parents and grandparents, he was as smart, well-read, and articulate as any college professor. My dad would not think much of JtS, I can assure you, neither would my grandparents.

ON another note, I heard last night that someone has already bought the domain name "joe the plumber." IF the guy was a real plumber, I think there might be a case made for him getting the domain name; as it is, that would be a joke.