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Thread #110424   Message #2469034
Posted By: WalkaboutsVerse
18-Oct-08 - 07:46 AM
Thread Name: England's National Musical-Instrument?
Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument?
IB - "mono-cultural shit-hole of pre-1960s England"...so all the talk from our elders of better community spirit, being able to leave their front door open without fear, etc., is nonsense?
And "Without immigration, England had no culture worth a shit."?!
And "grey monochrome flavourless bland as boiled fucking cabbage"?!...I think these are the views of an extreme pro-immigrationist which, if I wasn't around, a lot of the people here would oppose; and one of the reasons I won't permanently "fuck off back to Australia" is because I genuinely DO like our English cultural heritage.
And a reminder that I too have enjoyed the other cultures a few of you mentioned, and more, on my travels .

"These things do not equate to questioning the ACT of immigration - they question immigration on cultural grounds. This is xenophobic at best, and racist at worst, and as has been demonstrated, they are pretty much aligned with several of the key policies of the BNP. You feel culturally and economically threatened by immigration, so you want it to stop, regardless of what this might mean for the human rights of those involved - and don't start giving out about the UN: that's a pipe dream. in the HERE and NOW, if immigration were to stop, you'd be condemning great swathes of people to a lif of poverty and struggle. Why? What right have you, because of an accident of birth, to benefit from the wealth and privilege of a life in Britain while others are denied those privileges? From your own admission, it isn't because you are contributing more than the average immigrant - indeed, you are on the dole, and lots of immigrants are out there doing cleaning and manual labour and whatever crappy jiob they can get their hands on, just to provide for themselves and their families." (Ruth)...Sorry I can't remember who, but someone pointed out that, of course, nations already do regulate immigration - I'm arguing regulations should be stronger, the world over - because I don't think economic/capitalist immigration/emigrations is the solution to reducing the terrible inequality in the world, and I do see definite problems, beyond terrorism, in trying to have a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law (which we have already been through). In other words, the solution is to leave, or to stay and be part of the solution? And these are neither "xenophobic" nor "racist" words - I really DO love the world being multicultural...this, on the other hand goes very close - "There is of course an extra irony. WAV's surname of "Franks" owes its origins to the people responsible for the most destructive act of economic migration the English ever experienced." (Woody)...and then "The Nazis & fascists in general were anti-capitalist. Hitler talked about it in Mein Kampf." (Woody)...again, I hate imprialism/white supremecy, etc. - be it Nazi, Victorian, or any other.