I think that the fact that people so often provide examples of "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat" and "Miss Lucy Had A Baby" during discussions about "Bang Bang Lulu {Rosie}" is proof that these three rhymes are clearly related. As I've noted before, "Miss Susie/Steamboat" and "Miss Lucy/Baby" come from "Bang Bang Lulu" and not the other way around.

Although I'm aware that the subject of this thread is "Bang Bang Lulu {Rosie}", I'd like to take a bit more time to showcase a few connections between between "Bang Bang Lulu", "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat", "Miss Lucy Had A Baby" and/or "More Work For The Undertaker" {MWFTU}.

Let me first say that the versions of MWFTU that I've read don't appear to be sexually risque like most "Bang Bang Lulu" rhymes are, and like "Miss Susie/Steamboat" rhymes are to much lesser extent. Also, the "More Work For The Undertaker" examples that I've read don't have the pattern of leaving off a risque word and going to the chorus {as is the case in "Bang Bang Lulu"} or using the risque word in a socially acceptable way, and thus having plausible deniability that you didn' say a naughty word {as is the case with "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat" rhymes}.

That said, I'll post a few similarities in the lyrics of two or more of these rhymes: My comments are in italics.

A verse from a MWFTU rhyme refers to a bell and hell, as does all Miss Susie Steamboat rhymes

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sam got a job on the railroad
From: GUEST,Liz Magpie - PM
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 07:25 PM

And, I've just remembered a funny little verse my Dad used to say to me :

Sammy sat on the tramway line,
The driver rang his bell,
The tram went on to Hammersmith
And Sammy went to Hell.

I'd be about 5 at the time. He never said it in Mum's hearing, she'd have been cross. Back in the 50s the word "hell" was a bit rude for a child, so it was our own naughty joke, and I'd just collapse in giggles.
I can only assume it was from his own schooldays in Paddington around 1920
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reference to lemonade and ginger drinks in MWFTU are similar to references to cocktail gingerale in some versions of Bang Bang Lulu {particularly the Sonny Jim/bathtub version that became "Miss Lucy Had A Baby" See Peace's version:

From: Peace - PM
Date: 09 Sep 05 - 06:28 PM

Lulu (Rosie) had a baby
His name was Sonny Jim
She put him in the bathtub
To see if he could swim...
Grabbed him by the
Cocktail, ginger ale,
Five cents a glass...

Compare that with this version of "More Work For The Undertaker"

"Sambo had an Uncle, an Uncle very rich,
One day he said to Sambo,
"I'll give you two and six."
Sambo feeling thirsty, went into a lemonade shop,
Bought ten lemonades and ten ginger beers
And Sambo went off pop.
BANG".

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Since this is Bang Bang Lulu's thread, let me note the connection between GUEST,Rosanne age19 Feb 07 - 09:00 AM verse about Rosie having a brother named Tiny Tim who almost drowned, and Miss Lucy who had a baby named Tiny Tim who also almost drowned {but, in this case, it was in the bathtub}

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The emphasis of the word Bang in the "MWFTU" and the "Bang Bang Lulu" rhymes

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the reference in a MWFTU verse of the central character being pricked by a pin compared to the reference in all of the Miss Susie/Steamboat rhymes of the central character sitting on a piece of glass

Sambo had a sister, a sister very thin,
One day she said to Sambo,
"I'll prick you with a pin."
Sambo didn't like it, 'cause he was very fat,
And when she pricked him with a pin
He went off bang like that

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This is just a brief look at the similarities between some of the verses of these rhymes.

I'd be interested in "hearing" whether you think that there is any connections between these rhymes.