Volgadon and Pip - more false and defamatory language - I love the world being multicultural and, Ruth, my enjoyment of English tradional music is part of that.

Howard - for what it's worth, I agree with some/perhaps most of Maggie Holland's song "A Place Called England"...although last I heard, she's moved to that soon to be independent republic: Scotland.

"It's easy to modify the tuning of a recorder or a whistle by not removing the fingers far enough from the hole. I suspect this may be the reason for many of the flat notes which you play, since you admit to not removing your fingers. In turn if you learn the vocals from your recorder that could go part way towards explaining your flat vocals" (Stu)...I checked for that early on, thanks - and I seem to recall "shading" is the correct term.