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Thread #110424   Message #2473492
Posted By: Jack Blandiver
23-Oct-08 - 05:27 AM
Thread Name: England's National Musical-Instrument?
Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument?
Posted this on the wrong thread last night:

soon to be independent republic: Scotland.

I think Wavy believes that Scottish independence will result the expulsion of all non-Scottish nationals and a mass exodus of Scots from England back to their motherland. The extent to which Scotland and England interface on a cultural level will never change; most of my friends in Scotland are English, and most of my Scottish friends live in England. No doubt you're hoping for a rise of fevered nationalism leading to a blood-bath of civil war and ethnic cleansing, but people will be too busy getting on with their lives to even notice.

Otherwise...

prefering E trads to be perfmormed traditionally is not bigoted

That entire statement is bigoted, Wavy. Traditional in this context is an academic construct which exists on the same level of retentive pedantry as does the concept of Authenticity in model railways. Mr Mytholmroyd's scratch-built P4-gauge layout depicting Battersby Junction in the summer of 1939 may be exact in every detail, but it remains, nevertheless, just a model in the attic of his 2004 semi in Todmorden. However, Mr Mytholmroyd knows this, and, to give him his due, he would at least recognise a real train should he ever see one.

You performing E trads traditionally, i.e. UE, e.g., is a farcical pedantry derived entirely from your specious reasons for being into folk music in the first place. Specious Reason #1: it fits your Nationalistic Racist vision of English Culture. Specious Reason #2: you think you can do it with a negative amount of ability, commitment, musicality, effort and understanding. All that matters is that it serves a political purpose which would prohibit me from accompanying the ballad of Long Lankin on a Black Sea Fiddle (as I do Here), whilst allowing you to promote your execrable renditions as being somehow the more traditional.

If English Folk Song is taking a hammering, it is taking it single handedly off you, Wavy - not only in your terrible & unmusical singing and the arrogance that would promote it as being traditional, but, as Ruth says, in having you hitch it to the Nationalist & Racist Cause which is, in any case, your Life's Work.