Ethicly both groups encounter the same ethical and historic problems.

The difference is in the huge pracical differences in the solutions they propose and on the lives of people living under the control of either group.

If a 14 year old gilr is raped by uncle Flem a secular society and government, they would impose a mandatory sacred birth of the child.

A secular society would consider the practical issues above the religious decrees and allow for the girl to have a choice.


The founding fathers of the US were hopeful they could avoid the religous based wars and Godly power struggles of Spain and England and France. George Washington wrote a famous letter where he voiced his disappointment that certain Christian groups could simply not leave the function of government alone and was creating more acrimony than was either rational or constructive in the day to day functioning of a new nation.


in short a nation is either for the people
or for the church to decide which people it is for.