Volgadon - see above, we've covered that.

Joseph - thanks, I had a look and put it on my favourites, but my best chance remains manufacturing; I haven't seen either of those groups you saw on "Friday - at the lovely Sage.. Mawkin:Causley and The Shee", but I have seen members through the Newcastle folk degree etc, and know Jim C. quite well. "where were you?" (J)...I've probably paid to see about 20 gigs the last 4 years, but only occasionally nowadays to avoid going broke.