Sorry Dave but you don't seem to have read either what I have said or what Jim has said and I really can't be bothered to go through your post correcting all the misrepresentations. I'm sure your club is excellent and I have never suggested otherwise.

You - Remember that there are different ways of getting it right and yours may not be the only one.

Just so, which is why I object to Jim telling me that our way is "crass".