hey bill h thanks for repeating almost verbatim the story i told way earlier in this thread!!! i guess nobody including me reads these things from the begining and phil often talked about trying to be as big as dylan so if you doubt it read some of his bios cause he says it himself. i like phil ochs enough to read about his life and i like his later material to his earlier stuff but he just wasnt as good as bob dylan ,as for bobs stuff being simple PLEASE if that is simple then i wish i was a dumb as him