and why is that you, moonchild, feel as though this thread in particular does in fact push the "request to the limit". because it is a personal and or spiritual upset to you and other participants, because it strikes a very sensitive cord. no pun. whose limit are we referring to and defining. yours? max's? as previously stated, there are dozens of threads here that do not relate to music. hence, open forum. if it is okay to talk about earthquakes, death chambers, Elian (sp?), sports, sexy accents, etc., then why not this subject? additionally, i do not post anonymously; i'm not new here.