On the contrary, silasperson, I could list the "f*lk clubs" which are problem-free and excellent. Wouldn't take long. But I might miss one, and to avoid doing so, I won't. I know very well of what I speak, having been at most venues in the land at one time or another, wearing one hat or the other. However, since I haven't the faintest idea who YOU are, you might remember to address me as Ms Easby. I'm highly intolerant of assumptions of familiarity.