It's a very ethereal conversation as most things are on the web. Standards are a trangeky intangible thing without examples.

So let me give you some concrete examples. For a music site it has very little music on it and lots of words! There is a thread that Max started recently and M Ted or someone, I think, suggested that it would be nice to have sidebars where one could illustrate things musically that might help the words.

I play in singarounds and see good and bad stuff. I'm lucky to have met people who are good and play with me and I slide along on their coattails and pick up a few quid here and there.

So if I'm going to pay for a gig then I think it should be better than people can get for free. So here are two examples from playing recently in Leeds - Mark Kane is a fine fiddler (and singer and guitarist etc) who makes my playing and singing sound better.

I reckon that if I'm going to pay then it has to be better than this because you can go to a pub and get this for free.

So there's my benchmark between singaround and paid gig. Yours may be very different but at least you know where mine sits.

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And yes we should have practiced before we played.

It's a benchmark.