Jim and Brian

On singers who might be frowned upon by some:

At our singarounds we have the criterion of "Good intent". If a poor singer (and that's 'subjective' with some of those who fancy themselves in our area) then they will probably want to improve. In some cases someone who holds poor tune can nevertheless be a spirited performer or sing exceptional songs.

If someone will always be a 'perpetual beginner' then any decent folk club will allow them to continue if they are genuine, and don't cross that bottom line into being a total pain to listen to. It depends if you attract that awful bottom rung middle class type of audience for whom no-one is any good unless they're a teacher! In which case - change your audience.

Ian Fyvie