Sorry Bryan, help me out here; what points in the posting you mentioned have I not responded to; I may have missed something but as far as I can see I have covered them all a number of times.
"Where are these people? They certainly aren't at the Lewes Arms."
Do you not believe those of us who have said we =have encountered bad singers frequently?
Richard;
Are you assuming that those expected to put in the necessary work are going to refuse?
Jim Carroll