Oh come on! Your all wriggling! Even Mr Aquinus was wriggling!

The basis of the christian faith is the "afterlife"...Reason that!
The afterlife, the magic stuff, Heaven, The Christain goody bag, Mothers little helper when life seems unbearable.

There are people who really and truly believe it, I know some of them.   They're not fundamentalists, just ordinary folk who want a hot water bottle to take to bed with them. Most are in no way dangerous, just a little dim. They are sometimes used by obsessives as in the abortion issue.

Then there are those like Mr Obama and half of Mudcat, who don't really believe it, but pick out bits of it that they think may be useful to them....Or those who just go along for the ride because they don't want to be thought a "troll" by asking the question.

They know that its just a fairytale, so they try to strengthen their own phoney stance by attacking the true believers, or covering belief in layers of spurious rhetoric.

The fact that America has elected a "black" president is a small battle won, when they elect an atheist president they will have won a great victory