For every news story of "73 year old liquor store clerk chases out robber with a 38", there are 10 stories of clerks being shot BY robbers for attempting to reach beneath the counter.

I hate to just sound like I am trying to **ban guns**....what I want is real, detailed proposals by those who DO understand firearms about how to keep the benefits and avoid most of the dangers. ....and I do NOT mean just repeating the mantra of "enforce the laws we have". Ask ANY police dept. how easy that is.

Exactly. IF you don't want guns banned, and that would admittedly be near to impossible, what solutions do you offer, any of you, to combat the misuse of firearms? Legally owning a gun doesn't stop accidents of kids killing kids playing with said guns or a kid coming home and using his dad's hunting rifle to commit suicide. HOW do we stop those kinds of things from happening and the things Bill noted above?