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Thread #116598   Message #2504431
Posted By: mark gregory
30-Nov-08 - 08:17 PM
Thread Name: Folklore: Iron Muse Reminiscences Solicited
Subject: RE: Folklore: Iron Muse Reminiscences Solicited
I can remember when I first heard it in Sydney in the mid 1960s and I'd have to say it was a revelation ... I was already aware of some industrial songs and music especially via Pete Seegers 1957 LP American Industrial Ballads and a number of IWW and trade union songs.

Lloyd's Panorama of "industrial folk music" introduced me to songs I still sing and to glorious singers like Louis Killen, Bob Davenport, Annie Briggs, Ray Fisher, Matt McGinn and that amazing impromptue group called The Celebrated Working Man's Band!

It also raised the question of how industrial songs relate to folk songs .... Lloyd put it like this on the LP Sleeve:

What is folk song? The term is vague and seems to be getting vaguer. However, the songs on this record may conveniently be called "industrial folk songs" for without exception they were created by industrial workers out of their own daily experience and were circulated, mainly by word of mouth to be used by the songwriter's workmates in mines, mills and foundries. That other branch of workers' song, made by learned writers and musicians on behalf of the proletariat and passed on chiefly through print is not represented on this record. However excellent, such songs belong to a different order and require some other label than that of "folk song". Here, we repeat, our concern is with songs made by working people out of their own traditions and for their own use.