I'm not saying I agree with WAV's views - they're a long way from my own and I can't say I particularly like them, even though they're far more common than many of us would like to believe. How many people read the Daily Mail for Christ's sake? 800,000 of our countrymen voted for the BNP in the last election; more vote UKIP and all those other right-wing tossers including many in the Tory party itself.

WAV has wound me right up on a couple of occasions, but he's getting a right kicking on some of these threads from one or two that seem to think they are a cut above everyone else. It's too easy to keep taking pot shots at him - as you said Will, he isn't listening anyway. What I don't like is this idea someone isn't a poet because their poetry is crap, or they're not published because they weren't in The Rattle Bag or they are not a musician because they can't sing. Everything's a sliding scale, and we're all on it.

I wish WAV would take advice as I think he'd get more from the music and then perhaps understand why his views are so out of step with many folkies. But many here are simply kicking and kicking and kicking, and it's not very pretty.