A certain club - which is usually great fun when I can occasionally get to it - which I went to recently was so off the pace that the organiser apologised to me afterwards. "Too many bad singers" was the observation. Does that constitute "significant numbers of poor floor singers", Snail?

Although I love the place, if it had been my first visit I doubt I'd be hurrying back.

Now I think of it, at the same club, three or four years ago... I'd cajoled a bunch of folks from the main bar to come and try it out. They arrived when a very dodgy rendition of "A Knapsac on my back" (fer goodness' sake) was going on. I can still remember them standing dumbstruck in the doorway. They didn't even wait for a second song. Bad timing, but four potential converts gone. Forever, probably.

It's hard (otherwise opinion wouldn't be so divided as this thread has shown) but to encourage the not-so-goods has to be balanced against driving away the not-so-sures.

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Hamish