It's interesting to look at those old threads from 2002, and see how some of the most enthusiastic advocates for the war and the pre-war stuff while Bush and Co were threading water have failed to show up in this one.

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WW2 Germany had a pact with Japan, and even though Hitler did not want war with us, he had to support his ally.

I'm not sure that is too conclusive a consideration, Amos. After all, they had a non-aggression pact with the USSR too and that didn't mean too much when it became convenient for Hitler to junk it. Hitler could easily have stayed on the fence after Pearl Harbour for long enough to seriously embarrass Roosevelt. I'm sure there would have been a lot of Americans who would have felt that with a war on against Japan it was no time to declare another one against Germany.

But maybe that's a drift that would better be put aside, perhaps for its own thread.