The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #116994   Message #2521798
Posted By: Ruth Archer
21-Dec-08 - 07:30 PM
Thread Name: English Culture - What is it?
Subject: RE: English Culture - What is it?
"No, the cult of in yer face footballers started comparatively recently,"

Evidence? Look at what Georgie was actually getting up to. I maintain it was the Best era that spawned this whole sorry sub-culture. Have you any evidence that the phenomenon is "comparatively recent"?

"And then, when the media lost Princess Diana, they 'discovered' David Beckham and good ol' Posh, who took her place on their front pages..and the Footballer's Wife was born, along with the TV series and the never-ending photos in all the latest fashion magazines..etc.etc..etc. Posh and Becks became the new 'Royal Family' of the UK. Nowt to do with George."

Bollocks. Gazza came in the meantime, with Sheryl and their chavvy spawn. Posh and Backs are the end result of a trend which began in the Best era.

Why do you insist on mentioning the fact that my boyfriend tried to buy a calendar from your shop? What does it prove, except that he wanted a calendar? Do I refer to your ex huspand or the boyfriend who ran a mile when he realised what a nutcase you were? Does the fact that I set foot inside the shop where you work detract from the fact that 99% of what the National trust shops sell is twee, sentemental and nostalgic? No, it doesn't. I'm a menber of the National Trust, as it happens. I still find their shops twee and sentimental. The point is that no one is stopping you from interpreting England in a twee, sentimental and nostalgic way, as is evidenced by these Mrs Tiggywinkle-style merchandising enterprises. So WHERE is this great threat to your culture? Again, very specific evidence, please.