"What I don't understand is why you and others seem to feel it's necessary to try to put down those who don't particularly enjoy that sort of thing and prefer something else."

Don, I don't think I am explaining my thoughts clearly to you. In fact, most of my comments today were directed at some comments that others have made. I actually agree with most of what you say, and your situation appears to be clearly unique.

I am NOT putting down people that enjoy "that sort of thing". Earlier I mentioned a comparison with Little League baseball and benchwarmers who did not have a chance to play the game. Certainly I would not expect a major league team to stock up a lineup with less than competent players.   There are certainly individuals who require singing in circles of peers that are equally as knowledgeable and skilled, and the question of anyone bringing a RUS book or cheat sheet would not be questioned. That is a clique, but it can work.

However, the song circles described here do not seem to be those sort of events.   Unless I am reading the notes wrong, it seems as though people are describing song sessions that are "open" - invitations from folk societies or parties that are open to all.

I'm sorry Don, but some of the comments that you and others have made about the RUS does appear to be a close minded and an "either/or" situation. YOU do seem to be telling others to go find their own session if they wish to use books. No one has said anything about exclusively using books for song circles, yet you seem to feel that I (and others) should no criticize YOU for comments the are telling us to go elsewhere - "I and others of like mind) are not telling you, or anyone else, not to get together with others and group-sing out of an agreed-upon book or books. Go ahead! Have fun!"

Sorry Don, maybe we just don't understand the sessions that you are describing. If you have a song circle that is open to the public AND is meant to encourage others to sing, then people need to be ready to sing alongside those that bring books.   The people who bring books also need to understand that others in the sing are more accomplished and will be singing other songs that won't follow a book.    Understanding and patience is still the key.

I still feel that some of the comments made are good examples of a lack of listening and understanding.