WHat I think we have said repeatedly is that we do not take pleasure in the steak or the corn dog or whichever it is we do not like. We do not like the music that comes from these sessions, people who are OK with the sessions do not like the lack of fairness or chance to take a turn or chance to know what the words are. There is not pleasure in either. One way or the other someone is displeased. The answer and the only answer I see is to set up separate groups to accomodate both. mg