Thread drift, PDQ?

May I however say
1. If you bothered to read what I did say on the Annexe it was very reserved.
2. I am very pleased to be associated with McGrath of Harlow, of whose balanced and thoughtful posts I have long been an admirer.
3. I am also very pleased to be associated with Carol C who consistently presents a researched and understanding thread of argument in the face of vulgar abuse from - wait for it - right wing and misogynistic hatemongers?

On the main topic of the thread however, was it not the absence of a proper rule of law and the use of kangaroo courts inventing trumped up charges that drove the Founding Fathers to the USA?   If so, it surely follows that those who wish to follow in their footsteps should also insist that due process (without torture) was require to deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property.