thanks amergin you and i got off on the wrong foot i think i somehow got the impression you didnt like me or my silly postings but i will say that i have had a couple of thread s here that have gotten me the answers i was looking for and i really think this is a great site only two little problems i encounter 1)overly pompous smug little minded people with lots to say who are too pc by half and dont realize that narrowmindeness is one step from fascism (at least emotional fascism anyhow) 2) alot of folks bashing bob dylan which i just dont understand he is kinda talented but people say nonsensical things like "he cant sing" or "he steals from tradition" it could be argued that his hero woody guthrie had the same two problems but i guess he is sainted oh well when bob dies then he willl be thought of more fondly (witness the martydom of john lennon)