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Thread #117438   Message #2551542
Posted By: Little Hawk
28-Jan-09 - 08:17 PM
Thread Name: BS: Atheists: No 'so help me God'
Subject: RE: BS: Atheists: No 'so help me God'
True, Dave, there is no way of proving something like that or disproving it. You cannot prove the actions of the Unmanifest upon the manifest...nor of the Infinite upon the finite. Nor can you disprove them.

The Infinite cannot be objectively observed at all, because the observer himself cannot get outside of it in order to take a look at it! ;-) We can only observe the many other things which are, like ourselves, finite....in other words, they have a perceivable beginning and a perceivable end. This is true of another person, a plant, an animal, a planet, a sun, even a galaxy or a succession of galaxies. We can observe all of them in themselves, but we cannot observe that which contains all of them...and is implicit within all of them.

We can experience it in some way, perhaps, by feeling that we are in a state of conscious unity with it...but we cannot objectively observe it, because to do so we would have to establish that it is either separate from us...or one separate part of us that is within us...or limited to certain defined paramaters...and it isn't. ;-) It is, I think, unmanifest and unlimited, but by the same token it is implicit within everything that is manifest.