"Well, it had nuthin' to do with the reasons that were given, that much has been established." By whom, when and where?

They were enumerated long before GWB showed up on the scene.

Bobert shifts his claim the "the war is lost" to "it was wrong".

Bobert 20 Jul 07

    Anyone else notice that every day the Bushites push back the date that ***The Surge*** will work???

    Seems like it's been moved back twice this week from Septmeber to next summer??? At that rate, give the Bushites another week an' it will be sometime in the next century...

    Face it folks... The surge ain't gonna work... This is a civil war we are now in the middle of... We ain't gonna win this one... Might of fact, this is alike rootin' for the home team late in the 4th quarter and down by 4 touchdowns... Yeah, I think we can all relate... Yeah, we hope that we just get one more touchdown but understand that the game is lost...

    Iraq is lost...

    The folks sayin', "Oh geeze, we just can't afford to loose" won't change this very simple truth...

    Iraq is lost...

    Better just dig in, bite the bullet and make the most of it...

    So I would think the question at hand isn't about whether or not the war can be won but what to do now...

    That involves a major paradyme switch...

    There are things that a militarially defeated US can do... Lot's of them... BUt they can't do them until they give up this false hope that **the surge*** will bring victory, or stability... That won't happen...

    Bobert