Goatfell wrote: "So the soft southerners are crying again and getting their facts wrong about Scotland and the north of England, they think that Manchester is in the north but it really in the South if you live in Scotland"

Are the soft southerners really getting the facts wrong about "Scotland and the north of England"? Manchester is in the north of England. I don't think anyone has actually said it's either in Scotland or in the north of Scotland.

I loathe Londoncentrism as much as anyone but don't turn a snowman into a strawman!