What about them TIA?? Didn't you provide a link from a Guardian article that covered all of them, detailing their methodology and their weaknesses.

Out of all of them only one actually concerned itself with reported and confirmed deaths, care to tell us which one it was TIA. That organisation TIA now accepts single source accounts, they did use to use this information before to help establish "low" and "high" figures.

The figures were presented to the world to indicate civilian casualties, but with most they also tossed in combatants casualty figures as well.

So you have reported now approximately is as follows:

- Iraq Body Count at just under 100,000 "high" - deaths as reported and verified.
- Iraq Ministry of Health 150,000 approx - deaths as reported.
- WHOI 233,000 - batch sampled estimate.
- John Hopkins 655,000 - batch sampled estimate.
- Baltimore (John Hopkins II) 1,300,000 - batch sampled estimate.
- ORB 1,400,000 - batch sampled estimate.

Now throughout the period of the Second World War 1,380,000 German civilians died just under 600,000 died as a result of Allied Bombing.

That equates to the "estimated" figures conjured up by the Baltimore Study and by ORB. Now in all seriousness are you attempting to tell the people on this forum that more civilians have been killed in Iraq since March 2003 than were killed in Germany during the Second World War??

For the actual combat phase of the invasion in 2003 something like 9,100 Iraqi troops were killed and approximately 7,200 civilians were killed. During this period the US forces could count on a maximum of 1663 aircraft of all types. During the Second World War the Western Allies had 14,133 Bombers available and they dropped 1,588,062 tons of bombs on Nazi Germany.

As I said before the figures just simply don't add up.