John, Thanks indeed for the best and clearest confirmation I've seen in this forum that my vague and confused recollection of statements heard in the late 1950s has strong basis.

Henry, that's why it is worth asking an old question in a new way sometimes - you get old information which is new to you. Sorry if I'm boring you, but please tell us about Jimmy McPeake, and if he has the right he asserts.

Murray, tell Maggie hullo. Does she know there's an Old Timey session at 8pm tonight in the Tass?