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Thread #119218   Message #2586431
Posted By: Teribus
11-Mar-09 - 12:26 PM
Thread Name: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
CarolC you were asked to provide examples where Britain forced its culture down the indigenous peoples' throats (often at the point of a gun). You didn't give us any examples as you were asked to, probably because you are too lazy and decided to let your natural ill-informed bias and misconceptions prevail. What you have given us is a list of regions:

"Parts of North America, Australia, parts of Asia, Africa, Ireland, Newfoundland, numerous smaller islands. The British either subjugated the indigenous people in these places and forced their own culture on those indigenous people, or they just wiped them out." - CarolC, 09 Mar 09 - 01:22 PM

THE BRITISH EMPIRE:

The British Empire comprised the dominions, colonies, protectorates, mandates, and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom (UK), that had originated with the overseas colonies and trading posts established by England in the late 16th and early 17th centuries. At its height it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1922, the British Empire held sway over a population of about 458 million people, one-quarter of the world's population, and covered more than 13,000,000 square miles (33,670,000 km²): approximately a quarter of Earth's total land area.

CURRENT BRITISH POSSESSIONS & DEPENDENCIES:

•        The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
o        England
o        Wales
o        Scotland
o        Northern Ireland
•        Isle of Man
•        Channel Islands (Duchy of Normandy)
o        Jersey
o        Guernsey
o        Alderney
o        Sark
•        Gibraltar, seized 1704, ceded by Spain 1713
•        British Indian Ocean Territory, created 1965
o        Chagos Archipelago
        Salomon Islands
        Peros Banhos Atoll
        Three Brothers, Eagle, and Danger Islands
        The Egmont Islands
        Diego Garcia
•        Turks & Caicos Islands, 1678, to Bahamas 1799, to Jamaica 1873, administered by Bahamas 1965 - 1973
•        Bermuda, 1609, to Virginia 1612, separate 1684
•        Cayman Islands, 1655
•        British Virgin Islands, 1666
•        Anguilla, 1650
•        Montserrat, 1632
•        Pitcairn Islands, 1838
•        Phoenix Islands, etc.
o        Phoenix Group
        Phoenix Island
        Sydney Island
        Hull Island
        Gardner Island
        Canton Island, US-UK condominium
        Enderbury Island, US-UK condominium
o        Christmas Island
o        Fanning Island
o        Washington Island
o        Starbuck Island
o        Malden Island
•        St. Helena & Dependencies
o        St. Helena Island, 1659
o        Ascension Island, 1815
o        Tristan da Cunha Group
        Tristan da Cunha Island, 1816
        Inaccessible Island
        Nightingale Island
o        Gough (Diego Alvarez) Island
•        Falkland Islands, 1765
o        South Sandwich Islands, 1775, separate from Falklands 1985
o        South Georgia, 1775, separate from Falklands 1985
•        British Antarctic Territory
o        South Shetland Islands
o        South Orkney Islands
o        Antarctic Peninsula

MEMBERS OF THE BRITISH COMMONWEALTH OF NATIONS:

In addition to the British Possessions & Dependencies detailed above the following are current members of the British Commonwealth of Nations.

•        Malta, 1800, independent 1964, republic 1974
•        Cyprus, 1878, independent 1960, Turkish invasion, occupation of northern Cyprus 1974
•        India, independent 1947 (Bharat, Pakistan [out of Commonwealth 1972-1989], Bangladesh 1971)
o        Princely States (Protectorates of British India)
        Hyderadbad
        Jammu & Kashmir
        Mysore
        Orchha
        Bahawalpur
        Travancore
        Rajputana (23 states)
        Jodhpur
        Jaisalmer
        Bikaner
        Jaipur
        Udaipur
        Raigarh
        Dir
        Patna
        Khairpur
        Palanpur
        Las Bela
        Morvi
        Partabgarh
        Surguja
        Changbhakar
        Korea
        Kolhapur
        Bundi
        Bastar
        Narsinghgarh
        Porbandar
        Sheopur
        Bahawalpur
        Saraikela
        Rajkot
        Kapurthala
        Rewa
        Dhenkanal
        Raj Nandgaon
        Bharatpur
        Jhabua
o        Andaman Islands
o        Nicobar Islands
o        Sikkim, Princely State, 1861, protectorate of India, 1950, annexed by India, 1975
•        Ceylon, 1795, independent 1948 (Sri Lanka)
•        Seychelles, 1810, independent 1975
o        Mahé Island
o        Amriante Isles
o        Farquhar Group
o        Cosmoledo Group
•        Maldives, 1887, independent 1965
•        Mauritius, 1810, independent 1968
o        Rodrigues
o        Cargados Carajos Shoals
o        Agalega Island
•        Malaysia, created and independent 1963
o        Straits Settlements, Crown colony 1867
        Singapore 1819, to Malaysia 1963, independent 1965
        Penang 1786, to Malaya 1948, to Malaysia 1963
        Malacca 1824, to Malaya 1948, Malaysia 1963
        Labuan, 1846, to North Bornea 1890, to Singapore 1907, to Straits Settlements 1912, to North Borneo 1946
o        Malaya, Federation 1957, independent 1963 as Malaysia
        Johore
        Kedah
        Kelantan
        Negri Sembilan
        Pahang
        Perak
        Perlis
        Selangor
        Trengganu
o        British North Borneo, 1877, to Malaysia 1963 (Sabah)
o        Sarawak, to James Brooke 1841, Crown Colony 1946, to Malaysia 1963
•        Brunei, protectorate 1888, independent 1984
•        British North America
o        Canada, dominion 1867
        Ontario (Upper Canada), 1759, autonomous 1840
        Quebec (Lower Canada), 1759, autonomous 1840
        Nova Scotia, 1717, autonomous 1854
        New Brunswick, 1759, autonomous 1854
        Prince Edward Island, 1759, autonomous 1854
        Northwest Territories
        Yukon Territory
        Manitoba
        Alberta
        Saskatchewan
        British Columbia, 1849 (Vancouver Island) 1858
o        Newfoundland, 1583, to Canada 1949
•        British Guiana, 1796/1815, independent 1966 (Guyana)
•        British Honduras, 1638/1786, independent 1981 (Belize)
•        Bahama Islands, 1670, independent 1973
•        West Indies Federation, federated 1956
o        Leeward Islands, federated 1871
        Antigua, 1632, & Barbuda, 1628, independent 1981
        St. Kitts, 1624, & Nevis, 1628, independent 1983
o        Windward Islands
        St. Lucia, 1815, independent 1979
        Grenada, 1763, independent 1974
        St. Vincent, 1763, & the Grenadines, independent 1979
        Dominica, 1763, independent 1978
o        Barbados, 1627, independent 1966
o        Jamaica, 1655, independent 1962
o        Trinidad, 1797, & Tobago, 1763, independent 1962
•        Australia, Commonwealth 1901
o        Queensland, autonomous 1859
o        New South Wales, 1788, autonomous 1855
o        Victoria, autonomous 1855
o        South Australia, autonomous 1855
o        Western Australia, 1829, autonomous 1890
o        Tasmania, 1825, autonomous 1855
o        Northern Territory
o        Coral Sea Islands Territory
o        Norfolk Island & Philip Island
o        Lord Howe Island & Ball's Pyramid
o        Cocos (Keeling) Islands & Christmas Island
o        McDonald Islands, Shag Island, & Heard Island
o        Nauru, 1914, trustee of Aus, NZ, & UK, 1947, independent 1968
o        Papua-New Guinea, independent 1964
        Papua, Queensland 1883, Australia 1901, to Papua-New Guinea
        New Guinea & Bismark Archipelago, from Germany 1914, Australia Trust Territory 1919, to Papua-New Guinea
•        Solomon Islands, protectorate 1893, independent 1978
•        New Zealand, 1769, autonomous 1853
o        Cook Islands, etc.
        Cook Islands
        Rarotonga
        Aitutaki
        Atiu
        Mitiaro
        Mangaia
        Suwarrow Atoll
        Nassau
        Palmerston Atoll
o        Niue Island
o        Tokelau Islands, etc.
        Tokelau Islands (Union Group)
        Atafu
        Nukunono
        Fakaofo
        Rakahanga (Tongareva) Atoll
        Penrhyn Atoll
        Manihiki Atoll
o        Auckland Islands & Campbell Island
o        Antipodes Islands
o        Bounty Islands
o        Chatham Islands
o        Kermadec Islands
        Raoul (Sunday) Island
        Macauley Island
        Curtis Island
        L'Esperance Rock
o        Western Samoa, from Germany 1914, independent 1962 (Samoa)
•        Tonga, protectorate 1900, independent 1970
•        Hew Hebrides, 1887, Anglo-French Condominium 1906-1980, independent (Vanuatu)
•        Gilbert Islands, 1892, independent 1979 (Kiribati)
•        Elice Islands, 1892, independent 1978 (Tuvalu)
•        Union of South Africa, 1910, Republic of South Africa, out of Commonwealth 1961-1994, rejoins Commonwealth 1994
o        Cape Colony, 1795
o        Natal, 1843
o        Orange Free State, protectorate 1848, independent 1854, annexed 1902
o        Transvaal, protectorate 1877, independent 1881, annexed 1902
o        Prince Edward Islands
o        Walvis Bay, 1884, to Southwest Africa
o        Southwest Africa, from Germany 1915, independent 1990 (Namibia)
•        Swaziland, 1890, independent 1968
•        Basutoland, 1868, independent 1966 (Lesotho)
•        Bechuanaland, 1885, independent 1966 (Botswana)
•        MOZAMBIQUE, former Portuguese colony, joins Commonwealth 1995 - never part of the British Empire
•        East Africa
o        Kenya, 1887, independent 1963
o        Tananyika, from Germany 1917, independent 1961 (Tanzania 1964)
o        Zanzibar, 1890, independent 1963 (Tanzania 1964)
o        Uganda, 1888, independent 1962
•        Rhodesia & Nyasaland
o        Northern Rhodesia, 1889, independent 1964 (Zambia)
o        Southern Rhodesia, 1888, revolt 1965-1980 (Rhodesia), independent 1980 (Zimbabwe)
o        Nyasaland, 1889, independent 1964 (Malawi)
•        West Africa
o        Sierra Leone, 1787, independent 1961
o        Gold Coast, 1662, independent 1957 (Ghana)
o        The Gambia, 1661, independent 1965
o        Nigeria, 1861, independent 1960
o        CAMEROON, former German colony & French mandate, joins Commonwealth 1995 - NEVER part of the British Empire
        British Cameroon, from Germany 1919, to Nigeria & Cameroon 1961


FORMER BRITISH POSSESSIONS

•        Eire 1172, independent 1921, Republic 1938, leaves Commonwealth 1949
•        Heligoland, 1807, to Germany 1890
•        Hanover, 1714, independent 1837, to Prussia 1866
•        Ionian Islands, 1809, to Greece 1864
•        Minorca, 1708-1756, 1763-1782, 1798-1802, from & to Spain
•        Egypt, shares of Suez Canal purchased 1875, country occupied 1882, protectorate 1914, independent 1922, Suez Canal occupied until 1956, Canal nationalized 1956
o        Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, condominium 1898-1956, independent 1956
•        Palestine, occupied 1917, mandate 1921, independent 1948 (Israel; Palestine to Jordan & Egypt, territories occupied by Israel 1967)
•        Transjordan, occupied 1917, mandate 1921-1946, independent 1946 (Jordan 1949)
•        Iraq, occupied 1918, mandate 1921-1932, independent 1932
•        Kuwait, protectorate 1904, independent 1961
•        Bahrain, protectorate 1882, independent 1971
•        Muscat & Oman, Treaty 1798, independent 1971
•        Qatar, protectorate 1916, independent 1971
•        Trucial States(/Coast/Oman), protectorate 1820, independent 1971 (United Arab Emirates)
o        Abu Dhabi
o        Ajman
o        Dubai
o        Al Sharqah
o        Umm al Qawain
o        Ras al Khaimah
o        Fujairah
•        Aden, 1839, independent 1967 (South Yemen)
•        Afghanistan, First Afghan War 1838-1842, Second Afghan War 1878-1880, protectorate 1880-1921, Third Afghan War 1919-1921, Soviet Russian occupation 1979-1989
•        Burma, 1826 (Arakan) 1852 (Lower Burma) 1886 (Upper Burma), independent 1948 (Myanmar 1991)
•        Weihai Wei, 1898, to China 1930
•        Hong Kong, 1841, to China 1997
•        United States of America, independent 1783
•        Mosquito Coast, 1655, to Nicaragua 1855
•        Surinam, 1651, Dutch Guiana 1668
•        Fiji, 1874, independent 1970, leaves Commonwealth 1987
•        British Somaliland, 1884, to Somalia 1960
•        Eritrea, 1941-1952, to Ethiopia 1952

Tell you what CarolC you will find very very few examples to illustrate the points you tried to make of native culture being erradicated and British culture being rammed down peoples throats, or indeed of any deliberate government policy of wiping out local populations.

You'll find very few examples of lands taken by conquest and a large number that fell into the British sphere of influence through trade. Britain was not large enough a country to "conquer" those lands we simply had not got the population to do it.

You will find a large number of "Protectorates", "Dependencies" and "Federations" not so many "colonies". For example India was never a British colony all the states of India were independent and they all became "Protectorates".