""George, let me for the umpteenth time say, yet again, to you, for whom I have the greatest respect, and to Ian Mather, for whom I have none, that I do not and will not condone violence. That people choose to lump together vandalism against property with violence against people is their problem. I do not. The two are totally and utterly different.

There, is that simple enough?""

YES LEVELLER!! Very clear indeed, and it would be a shining example of the art of debate, IF it weren't utter and complete egregious nonsense.

Your contention that a group of right thinking, sober, intelligent citizens are going out to commit acts of aggression toward a house and a car, is quite simply ludicrous.

Picture it:- "Hey Cecil, let's beat up that automobile, and really teach it a lesson".    "Oh, right-ho Charles, and while we're at it why don't we give the house a damn good hiding too"?

Those men committed that damage for one reason, and one reason only: TO PUT THE FEAR OF CHRIST INTO GOODWIN AND HIS FAMILY!

THAT, my friend, IS violence against persons, which you claim not to support, and as such it is indefensible.

Don T