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Thread #120026   Message #2612153
Posted By: Ron Davies
15-Apr-09 - 10:42 PM
Thread Name: BS: WW2 made whites-only
Subject: RE: BS: WW2 made whites-only
First, let me congratulate the originator of the thread on successfully dragging us off-- both--of the topics he himself brought up: the blacks excluded from the Paris liberation parade and the Aleuts removed from their homes.

As I recall, he was going to tell us just why neither the UK nor France pushed hard for blacks to be included in the parade. As I noted, had they done so, with the strong civil rights groups in the US already pushing for black recognition, there is a good chance they would have been successful. The squeaky wheel....

But it's so much more satisfying to whine about US racism--which obviously did exist-- than to realize that there is actually plenty of blame to go around--as he'd realize if he only read the article he himself started with.



Also, he was going to give us the specific source he has that when the Aleuts were removed from their homes, few ever saw them again. From my reading, that appears to be true, but not because they died before they saw them again, but because the homes often destroyed, sometimes to keep them from Japanese use.   

In fact some Aleuts were captured by Japanese and taken to Japan.   He also, with his perfect 20/20 hindsight-- as the wonderful armchair general he is-- wants to tell us the removal by the US was not necessary at all. In 1942 this was far from clear, and as I noted earlier, a serious military campaign was carried out by the Japanese in the Aleutians.   "In 1942 during World War II, Japanese forces occupied Attu and Kiska Islands in the Western Aleutians and later transported captive Attu Islanders to Hokkaido, where they were held as prisoners of war." Perhaps he'd like to tell us about the Japanese compensation plan for these POWs.

Added to that, as I noted earlier, the campaign in the eastern Aleutians resulted (per Wiki) in at least 3,929 US casualties and 2,300 Japanese dead.

It's not at all clear--and certainly wasn't in 1942--that the Aleuts could have stayed in their homes unmolested.   Perhaps it has slipped the poster's mind that there actually was a rather serious war going on.

Lots more to say, but, again, no more time.