First of all, this thread has not taken a nasty turn, but rather a good one, in the fact that the bullshit parroting is being exposed, and the perpetrators of it. Look at them scurry away!!! I think, if you're going to put forth a premise, then be prepared to take on the honest debate...without resorting to name calling, and trying to discredit your 'opposing' debater, by calling them names, and ganging up on them like a crazed lynch mob. Sometimes when you got to get to the meat of a subject, one needs to break through the shell...and where that sounds nasty, perhaps there is place for constructive dialogue, though an honest and heartfelt, intelligent..and therefore the HEALING process can begin,...usually, once the party line nonsense has been exposed, for what it is.

Amos, your still not off the hook.....

Don's running

TIA is pretending not to read any more..(besides, I don't think he wants to be a glutton for punishment)

..and the other Don,,the article you posted is largely irrelevant, being as it goes into a 'hatred of gays'..and 'homophobia' which I am neither...but I do understand the mechanisms that take place, that may lead to it..and the path back out.

Nice try, but stick to the spirit, and topic.
As far as the other concern, about the 'thread topic', I believe that we, through much interference wind bagging, are getting to the core of just what 'marriage' is.....and therefore, what completely understandable, salient grounds Californians, among others oppose it.