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Thread #115854   Message #2629552
Posted By: Little Hawk
11-May-09 - 11:02 PM
Thread Name: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
Many (if not most) people are extremely liberal about some things, moderate about other things, and very conservative about still others. ;-) That's what makes the labels "liberal" and "conservative" so misleading.

For instance, here's an interesting conundrum. One of the definitions of "liberal" in the online dictionary I consulted is: "4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties."

Okay. Now, that would seem to go hand in hand with a cause that is normally espoused by people who call themselves "conservatives" in the USA, namely the cause that says citizens have a constitutional right to bear arms.

Well, if to be liberal is to be in favor of "maximum individual freedom possible", then it should be an extremely liberal position on guns to assert that everyone should be free to buy and own firearms of every kind if they wish to....and it should be a conservative on guns who is in favor of restricting gun ownership and stringently regulating it!

Restrictions and regulations on gun ownerwhip ARE conservative measures on gun ownership, going by the dictionary definition of what "liberal" is supposed to be. ;-D

I find this very ironical.

The truth is that every liberal is quite conservative about stuff he's against, but quite liberal about stuff he is for! The same is true of conservatives...they are quite conservative about stuff they are against and quite liberal about stuff they are for. Whoever you look at, "liberals" or "conservatives", they would clearly both like to shut down and shut up "the other side" of the debate if they could. In that respect, they are both acting in anything but a classically "liberal" fashion, because they are both demonstrating intolerance, prejudice, and a desire to control and restrict the actions of the people they don't agree with.

The conclusion I draw from that is simple: both the "conservative" and "liberal" movements in America today are absolutely riddled with self-serving hypocrisy, prejudice, and delusions of moral superiority. They recognize it as such, though, only when the other side does it...not when they do it themselves.

The pot is calling the kettle black, and the kettle is responding in kind. ;-D