The battle of convincing me say Roots is a folk song might never be won, at least not by arguing in a forum.

The battle of the us and them bars probably does not need winning. OK, we may at times tuck ourselves away in different corners but I'd find the idea that say Mr Beer, Diane and I could not find a way of having a pint and perhaps even a song or tune together difficult to imagine. There must be something there we all enjoy. Can we all run to a 3 Round 3?

I think, Lizzie, you get in the way of finding where the common ground exists, rather than encouraging it.