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Thread #120320 Message #2632815
Posted By: Bill D
15-May-09 - 04:50 PM
Thread Name: BS: Obama and torture
Subject: RE: BS: Obama and torture
If you turn on the news RIGHT NOW you will see that it is still not clear. It is still being debated who was told what and when...and in how definitive terms.
*IF* you believe Pelosi was either too dumb to hear the facts clearly, or that she is afraid to admit she heard & ignored facts about illegal stuff, it is still the case that illegal stuff was being DONE at the behest of Bush's administration! No member of Congress should be PUT in the position of having to decide whether they have heard semi-illegal stuff and how to deal with it when the briefings were totally off-the-public-record and it was not yet clear what information was being gained to benefit the country. There should BE no illegal, immoral interrogation to report on!
As I say, I will wait till I see the transcript of the briefings to decide. I wasn't there...and none of YOU were either. But I'd be willing to bet a nickel that CIA briefers didn't take Pelosi & Goss & others into a room and say, "Hey...we're using torture on Zubeida, but it's ok...Cheney approved it and the SOB is talking!" You know that whatever was said was couched in ambiguous terms in anticipation of this debate. Panetta says "it is not CIA policy to torture...".....right. Bush said the same thing, and meant "when we do it, we define it as "not torture."
Boy, it sure is easy for some of you to figger it all out from vague remarks from 3-4 people, some of whom were not IN the room!