Don T: "As far as I know, the ONLY right accorded to ANY religious grouping is the right to worship freely as they see fit, as long as their activities do NOT cause harm to others.

I cannot recall seeing ANY legislation endowing religious organisations with the right to force their views on others.

I'll bet money you argue the other side, saying church and state separation...the state isn't granting anything to a church, if you believe that. They are separate!(or were supposed to be)

Amos:(I'd rather post music)...but in light of this present dilemma, I could post a shitload more..probably better ones, but I went for the shortest.

Ebbie: See above, to Amos.

Don: "In your last post, GfS (17 May 09 - 03:42 p.m.), you are doing some pretty flashy tap-dancing to back off from some of the links to dumb web sites you've offered and from some of your posts where you've obviously lost it, but you're still stumbling over your own feet. Fred Astaire or Ginger Rogers you are not."

Up yours! No tap dancing, but I guess you had to get off a snappy piece of rhetoric. Feel better now?

Don(again): "he supports civil unions, and it's up to religious institutions whether or not they would recognize the union as marriage."

Don T..read Don Firth's above quote..Does that answer your question?

Don(again): "...He has his personal beliefs regarding marriage, but he does not agree that the government, either national or local, should interfere in the matter one way or the other.

I find that perfectly acceptable."

When myself or Little Hawk or Ake, say that, you call us 'bigots'..should I 'go figure', and waste more time?

Look, What will probably happen is that some states will agree, some not. Others for religious reasons will not. Some sects will. The more spiritual, who are not church goers, but spiritual, will shake their heads with bewildered disgust. The 'spiritualists' will agree with 'whatever', as long as they are perceived as 'heavy'. The educated will reason it away, then predict when it will go the way of the hula-hoop. The entertainment world will promote it as long as there is 'shock value' to it, and prolong it way past its 'chique-ness d' jour'. Amos will change his mind, once he finds out Obama's position was his all along. You are stuck with it, hoping the genetics of it were on her side, and you were framed. Don T is going to re-arrange thoughts of posts, to suit his eloquence, and perfect grammar...but to real no effectiveness, because its all based on a political opinion, and re-act to his own perception of a good rebuttal! Meanwhile, the public will have to have their noses rubbed in it, as an issue, that most of the time, they couldn't give a flying fuck about, just don't teach my kids about the wonders of it,..Joe Offer, is going to wonder when his patience runs out, and him stretching the parameters, by not yanking off some of these posts..*(but at the same time realizes that it has been a hot, entertaining thread..more posts than the Obama Administration one)...By the way, Joe, Thank you!..and I'm going to hope for the best, insofar some good things were presented to think about(like we need it!?)...but I hope you will. Nobody is going to convince anyone else, of jack doodlie squat,.....and let's just hope that the selfishness that produced this coming generation might be overcome their parents selfishness...ok?


But if you want.................
Regards, GfS