""Don T..read Don Firth's above quote..Does that answer your question?""

NO! My question was addressed to AKE, not Don Firth, and NOT YOU.

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""I'll bet money you argue the other side, saying church and state separation...the state isn't granting anything to a church, if you believe that. They are separate!(or were supposed to be)""

You would lose! I live in the UK where there is an established church (i.e. NOT separate from the state). The US pays lip service to separation (though republicans like G W Bush don't seem to know that), and I really don't give a shit either way.

My comment stands as I phrased it. It is not the business of religious organisations to force their views on others, especially when the argument is about civil rights.

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""Don T is going to re-arrange thoughts of posts, to suit his eloquence, and perfect grammar...but to real no effectiveness, because its all based on a political opinion, and re-act to his own perception of a good rebuttal!""

Could you run that by me again please, preferrably in ENGLISH this time?

As far as I can recall, eloquence and perfect grammar have never been accepted as reason for disqualification from debate. Rather the reverse in fact.

The rest of your comment makes NO sense at all.

Don T.