hey guys--that's absolutely brilliant!! thanks a lot for your help on that one, Fenian (and for your willingness, Wolfgang!). having gone away for a bit, it was rather amusing to see all this talk of fish and such spawned from my request...i'm glad you managed to figure out what i was talking about. i have another favour to ask--where can i _hear_ it? someone mentioned transcribing it from a CD (was that you, wolfie?) and as i'd like to do the song sometime, a tune would be helpful! ah, now's when i begin to be a pain in the arse....apologies! seriously, though--thanks!!!