""The other two, true enough, and maybe "et al" as well - but "David Owen", well, that's a strange one to include.""
Strange indeed McG, and due entirely to brain fade. That WAS supposed to be Tony Benn, of course, far too left wing for my vote, but far too honest and sincere NOT to warrant my genuine respect and admiration.
He ALWAYS meant what he said, and SAID what he meant.