Cutter bee, that's right, thanks maeve for the links. It has been breezy here today so no sight of her. I jiggled the tree yesterday and she left, so I figure I need to hook up a motor that keeps it in constant motion or hire Morgan 24/7 to stand there and shake it.**bg** I hope I can get Rog to build a frame this time for the cheesecloth. I thought about the diatemacious(sp) earth, but I don't like using it when I read all of the caveats.