hear hear steve, when i read of what the church has done in the past it makes my blood run cold. from the witch trials to the rack and burning with hot pokers, basically anything doesn't shed blood, and that was to the british people!! what i have read about them converting other nationalities is even more appalling. the amount of wars over religon is incredible. just for the record PACO RABANNE, WE WERE A COUNTRY OF PAGANS TO START WITH NOT CHRISTIANS, if you want to complain about being converted you should really have started with that. i find that i cannot forgive or forget what the church has done and as so i will not enter a working church, i have no wish to be a hypocrite!!!!!