From Jack: "Given what Lizzie usually does to other people's threads, no. Time for her to see what it feels like..."

Nope, nearly every thread I've ever started in the 'music' section gets taken deliberately off course, but that's OK, that's what conversation does, goes off at tangents, and often interesting things are to be discovered. Sometimes though, it just gets more than a little boring when the Minutia Brigade kick in bigtime, as they've done in this thread.

I rarely join in the music threads these days, because if I do, again, the threads go off course, into personal attacks. Strangely, I'm left alone in the BS section, probably because there are far more American and Canadians, Below Stairs, and nearly all of them are nice, laid back people who don't get their knickers on backwards in a rage if one tiny thing is reported wrongly.

I think it'd be a great idea to start a thread on A.L. Lloyd and then talk about Kate, as I mentioned above. Try it Jack, and see what happens, and then please note that I'm not throwing things out of my pram in this thread, merely linking to Kate again here and there. and letting you all talk Allloydadinfinitum,'cos that's what turns you on. :0)


From Crow Sister: "Jeez Lizzie, you are so driven and able to err, get people to do exactly what you want...
If only we could get you on board with the whole traditional music is interesting and worthy of support thing, you'd move fecking mountains!"

I would Crow Sister. Indeed, I DID, back on the BBC, shortly after I discovered the music of Coope Boyes & Simpson. I turned that board into a meeting place every Monday evening, when Lester Simpson and Mick Peat's radio programme 'Folkwaves' came on. We'd all listen to it 'live' on air, as at that time, Folkwaves didn't have a Listen Again button.

After watching the success of that thread, seeing the responses it drew, hearing that Mick and Lester themselves were watching that thread from time to time, the BBC finally gave in to the pressure I started up to give Folkwaves a 'Listen Again' button, and it happened.
It's still there to this day.

Of course, the BBC then got a little miffed, when the Folkwaves thread reached over 500 posts, becoming almost a folk cult in a way, albeit a small one...and they closed it down, with Mel stating that the BBC board couldn't take threads that went beyond 500 posts...The biggest lie going, of course, because there are many on the Music Club board that are well over 1,000. They just got miffed because folks were talking about that show and not their one, the Smooth Ops one, of course, as they run the F&A board and they do the Mike Harding show, which barely got a mention back then.

So...they closed it down. Here's the thread I started about that...I'm the 'number' in the first post.

The 2 BBC Folkwaves Threads


I've spoken about a great deal about traditional artists, songs, music, gigs, festivals etc..but 'they who must be obeyed' would have you think that the ONLY people I ever talk about are 'they who must no longer be mentioned' and Seth Lakeman. That's been the whole point of their campaign...

They don't *want* me talking about traditional music, because it's *theirs*...

Here you go,Live From Sidmouth - 2005 about the first ever Sidmouth Folk Week, when I decided to become a Roving Reporter (with a sense of humour) ;0)

And here, the now infamous Myspace thread, started just as Myspace was starting to get popular...Again, started by me, but the BBC have removed my name from every single post I ever posted, along with many of the thread titles, and closed many of them down too, as I think they did with this one also...Why? ALL it was about was spreading the word about people's music. (Oh, and Lizzie Bashing, of course) ;0)

BBC Myspace thread




Kate Rusby has, still to this day, not been completely forgiven by some in the folk world for DARING to be in Equation with Seth, his two brothers, Cara Dillon and Katherine Roberts. If you don't believe me, read what Colin Irwin has to say in his wonderully amusing book 'In Search of Albion' where he has an entire chapter about Seth Lakeman. Kate did go part way to getting some respect back, because she chose not to go with Equation to the USA when they were signed up to Warner Brothers...but the rest of them were banished from the Inner Folk Sanctum from that moment on...and still, to this day, haven't been forgiven by many.

It's vindictive rubbish...

"Unfortunately the people you do support have already got multiple oodles of support... Your efforts are wasted and unappreciated. Just come over to the fusty side! Pop on your brown sandles and belong.. you so know you want to...!"

Yes, they have. But I found Seth's music when hardly anyone knew about him. I knew, the first moment I heard him play that he'd be a star, said so too...and again, didn't they just hate it all. I'm so pleased he's got to where he should be...but there are many more who should also be there...

The thing is, with the English folk world, is that you are NOT supposed to be enthusiastic about this music, because if you are, then you're branded a 'fanatical fan' a 'stalker' and you're ridiculed beyond belief. I decided to bypass all that total crap, put up with it, shout out against it...

And then...one day, I thought..."Sod it! If they want their music hidden, then let them hide it away!"

So I removed my Live From Sidmouth blog from my myspace page, because one of those now so involved in Sidmouth is also one of those who's managed to put me off one helluva lot of folk music, turning it into one of the bitchiest worlds I've ever come across.

As I've said over and over..the English have a great deal to learn from the Americans and the Canadians..and it saddens me further that one of those who've given me such grief is of course American, but then they've adopted the English outlook 100%, so I can't really hold that against the US.

In short, Kate Rusby makes very beautiful music, and I love talking about folks who's music I love, be they 'famous' or 'unheard of' If music touches me, it touches me, and I've no problem with some who are further above the parapet than others.   If their music deserves mention, then mention it I will...in my own way, in my own words, in the way that is totally natural to me.   No-one has to read it....

But yes, thank you for your words, for I could have 'moved feckin' mountains'. I know I still can do. For now though, I'm just taking a rest from all the rubble that gets thrown down upon me from time to time, from those who feel those mountains belong to them.

"You do not own the land that people walk upon" - Crazy Horse.

"And you do not own the music that people love" - Mad Lizzie. ;0)


And now...back to Kate Rusby :0)

Kate singing 'The Good Man' at The Union Chapel in 2003